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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 2, 2009 11:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

Cliff, I think it's an over rated year myself. I find their playing to be often sloppy. Having said that they also seem to be surprisingly having a lot of fun considering the Keith and Donna drama you mentioned. On a tangent with that I wonder if they were all so disillusioned by them or Keith why was Jerry tapping them both that same year to be in his solo band?

I have to admit while I am familiar with a handful of the most high profile shows from this year I haven't delved into the rest as much as others here so am not the most informed person to be giving opinions probably. Even the 78 Red Rocks run as awesome as the mix is I find to be sluggish and sloppy. The Estimated is incredible but the Wharf Rat just is lacking dynamics big time I think ( flame away people ).I did however listen to that Feb 78 DP's awhile back and was VERY impressed with the playing. There was one jam in particular, most likely PITB but I can't remember, that really knocked me out.

I agree about the new material lacking but then again I don't think they stopped being prolific song craftsmen after Blues for Allah. That doesn't diminsh my still loving something from every year they played but I do think that's hard to argue that. I mean come on, there's not too much filler on any of their albums until Terrapin came around.

This post was modified by johnnyonthespot on 2009-03-02 19:15:10

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 2, 2009 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

whoops! I MEANT to say that they DID stop being prolific writers after Blues for Allah

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Mar 2, 2009 1:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

i really think arista was trying to package the boy's for mainstream but i could be wrong. 3 min radio songs and stuff like that. but if you think to how rock n roll was changing in 78, van halen, cheap trick,and the eagles were being played every ten mins on fm radio. oh yeah billy joel also. all selling huge records ,but the dead rocked gracefully live and the fan base was confortable with that and i;m sure the band was too!! if its not broke why fix it,if your happy i;m happy,keep on keeping on!!!! peace. just a thought thats all.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 2, 2009 2:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

that's all true but look at all the filler - Dancin in the Streets? Good Lovin? Don't Ease me in, etc etc. none of their albums before the Arista years had that. Even arguable filler like Money Money was at least written by them. In fact except for the first album I don't think they had any covers on a studio album until the Arista years did they? Again Money Money was close on that one I guess. The band could still write a compelling song - heck Althea is by far one of their best imo, I just think they got complacent, which is kind of the natural order of things with all people as they get older or in a rut.

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Mar 2, 2009 2:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

there were cover's in the early dayze johnny b goode, morning dew,viola lee blues you win again, lovelight,and some others i'm sure.i really like 78 but i believe its all constant not foolish, go with what ya know!!sorta thing. i really dig this 78 show http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-04-24.sbd.miller.97543.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 2, 2009 2:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

I'm not talking live in this instance, they always did covers. I was addressing what Cliff said about them not turning out good new material. I'm saying it's noticable how less prolific them became after Blues for Allah. It's a fact. I'm not saying they band wasn't still great and I don't enjoy something from every year, in fact I think 89-91 were still some of the greatest years for the band and I think that goes beyond just the fact that's when I saw most of my shows, it seems obvious to me.

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Mar 2, 2009 3:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

thats true jots i re read and seen filler songs and its all how you percieve the writing terrapin station was with arista and shakedown also i personaly like all the years cause to me its still the dead there the same. we are the ones who changed there is some great writing in the later years foolish heart is one for me and lazy river road!!i guess its a matter of taste not one's perception of what should be!!in the end its still the grateful dead!! no matter how ya shuffle the cards they come up dead!! :)its all good!!! in the strangest of places if ya hear it right? i should say the lyrics are the same we change they change but lyrics stay the same!!

This post was modified by whirlwind dreamer 65-95 on 2009-03-02 23:39:29

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 2, 2009 3:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

oh yeah, I'm definitely not on the they should have quit in 65 bandwagon. They were the best that ever was, no question about it. And here's irony - as inconsitant and downhill Jerry was the final few years - Lazy River, So Many Roads, Days Between his best contributions since probably Blues for Allah.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 3, 2009 6:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1978 - Foolish Consistency?

Just noticed that--the 65--good one...

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